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"I was gobsmacked when I saw them for the first time - the array of towers covers the entire solar arc."

In addition to this being a very cool find, I learned a new word---"gobsmacked". I plan to use it as much as possible in daily speech.
  • I find it interesting that the so called “NEWS” keeps on calling ancient beliefs Cults while they call most present days Cults religion. Silly us for allowing this inappropriate use of language to continue. Interesting find though :-)
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      I have a sundial in my yard, I guess I'm a member of a cult. And we have a national obseratory we all must be members star cult.
      • Methinx that "cult" has become a loaded term now. But it doesn't have to be that way, and I'm fairly certain that that's not the way it was meant to be understood in the article. I just checked this wikilink:

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult...ractice%29

        <<In traditional usage, the cult of a religion, quite apart from its sacred writings ("scriptures"), its theology or myths, or the personal faith of its believers, is the totality of external religious practice and observance, the neglect of which is the definition of impiety. Cult is literally the "care" owed to the god and the shrine. The term "cult" first appeared in English in 1617, derived from the French culte, meaning "worship" or "a particular form of worship" which in turn originated from the Latin word cultus meaning "care, cultivation, worship," originally "tended, cultivated," also the past participle of colere "to till". Thus in French, for example, sections in newspapers giving the schedule of worship at Catholic churches are headed Culte Catholique; the section giving the schedule of protestant churches is headed culte réformé.

        By extension, "cult" has come to connote the total cultural aspects of a religion, as they are distinguished from others through change and individualization. Well-known global cults include Islam and Christianity.

        The meaning "devotion to a person or thing" is from 1829, and from that connotation comes the modern meaning of "cult" as in a "cultist" or a "cult following". Cult and cultist have recently accrued negative connotations that are separately dealt with at the entry cult.

        In Roman Catholicism, cultus or cult is the technical term for the following and devotion or veneration extended to a particular saint.

        Some Christians make refined distinctions between worship and veneration, both of which are outwardly expressed in cultus or cult and are indistinguishable to the observer. Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy distinguish between worship (Latin adoratio, Greek latreia [λατρεια]) which is due to God alone, and veneration (Latin veneratio, Greek doulia [δουλεια]), which may be lawfully offered to the saints. These private distinctions between deity and mediators are exhaustively treated at the entries for worship and veneration.

        Among the observances in the cult of a deity are rituals and ceremonies, which may involve spoken or sung prayers or hymns, and often sacrifice, or substitutes for sacrifice. Other manifestations of the cult of a deity are the preservation of relics or the creation of images, such as icons (usually connoting a flat painted image) or three-dimensional cultic images, denigrated as "idols", and the specification of sacred places, hilltops and mountains, fissures and caves, springs, pools and groves, or even individual trees or stones, which may be the seat of an oracle or the venerated site of a vision, apparition, miracle or other occurrence commemorated or recreated in cult practices. Sacred places may be identified and elaborated by construction of shrines and temples, on which are centered public attention at religious festivals (called "feasts" in some Christian communities) and which may become the center for pilgrimages.

        The comparative study of cult practice is part of the disciplines of the anthropology of religion and the sociology of religion, two aspects of comparative religion. In the context of many religious organisations themselves, the study of cultic or liturgical practises is called liturgiology.>>

        So, although in everyday language, we use "cult" with a negative sociological connotation, in the study of ancient religions, it is a neutral term.
        • Agreed, Cult is a totally neutral word. I interpret the word Cult to mean an organization, which has at least 1 devote, which makes everything a Cult. From running, to eating, to dressing a certain way, to reading certain books, everything is a cult, and everyone belongs to multiple cults.

          The issue however is that they should be consistent with their use of this word. If they use the word cult to describe religious beliefs in the past then they should also use the term to describe present day religions. But then again that’s like asking the government to admit they were involved in 9/11, the media to admit they are not independent, and the pope to admit that their organization is really a Cult :-)

          • I agree totally with your last sentence, and am still chuckling at it.

            The problem here is that once a word takes on a new shade of meaning within a society, it takes on a life of its own. No dictionary can stop the spoken, or even written, new connotation of word or term. The best Webster can do is try and keep up with the whims of language usage.
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            Yes My bad, I automaticly give the word cult a bad meaning. You know Jones Town, The Vatican, those kind of groups.

            I did think Mr Ruggles, may not be very well read as a quick trip to the Campus Library got me 11 different articles suggesting the structure is an obseratory. Were as he was gobsmacked by the thought that no one had thought of it as such.


            quote from the article
            "Clive Ruggles, professor of archaeoastronomy at Leicester University, UK, said: "These towers have been known to exist for a century or so. It seems extraordinary that nobody really recognised them for what they were for so long"
            • The more I reread that article, the more I chuckle at the name "Ruggles". It's right outta some Victorian children's tale: "Mr. Ruggles goes to the Museum", or some such silliness.

              <<Yes My bad, I automaticly give the word cult a bad meaning. You know Jones Town, The Vatican, those kind of groups.>>

              Now, now. Let's not be too hard on Jim Jones. The cult of Kool-Aid was around long before him. ;-)

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